Q93: SHOULD STEVE JOBS BE HONORED, OR NOT? LEARN SOMETHING FROM A HEATED DEBATE BETWEEN A JEW IN THE FLESH VS A JEW IN THE SPIRIT!

NOTE: The following is a heated discussion between a traditional Jew and myself concerning the issue of whether Steve Jobs (the Founder and CEO of Apple Computer) should be honored or not. This developed when I wrote and posted an article (WHAT THE BIBLE EXPLAINER SAYS ABOUT STEVE JOBS) in Facebook about the accomplishments and death of Steve Jobs. I want to share this discussion, as there are information and revelations here that came out of this heated online debate. We also welcome your comments about this subject. For the sake of my Jewish friend, I withheld his name.

With Steve Jobs passion for creativity and innovation to conceive and invent new devices and technological knowledge, he meticulously followed Ecclesiastes 9:10. "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecc 9:10 KJV)

JEW: Lope - First of all, we are not to elevate any man, for each man is a dust vessel and must be Prepare to RECEIVE the LIGHT, some are prepared for destruction and some for Honor. When we start “honoring” men for their achievements, the work of their hands, we again raise the First Tabernacle of the man of dust in which, as long as the first tabernacle is standing, The Way into the Holiness is not made manifest. 

As far as the “Tikkun,” just because he suffered, as billions do, is not a blanket precursor to entrance into the Garden of Souls. There was no Fruit from Job’s Tree (his guf) that evidenced Rectification. The mere fact that he was instrumental in creator a computer that can be used for Holiness was not his intent, as manifested by the lack of Holy Fruit. To say that he created a computer that can be used for Righteousness, affords him the TIKKUN OLAM, is ludicrus! For, unless the Yetzer Hara is rectified (Self-Ego) for the purposes of serving GOD and GOD only, known as LISHMA, his tree is dry and uprooted! 

The same thing is going on in churches were mere men are elevated to saint-hood, people running to & fro following these men are void of the LIGHT, for if the LIGHT existed and has taken Her residence in same, they would not be running to/fro for Da’at, for they would clearly see that the Da’at has taken Her residence within! "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"

-- NAME WITHHELD

LOPE: Steve Jobs spent his entire life thinking and creating technologies that benefited much of the world. His life is also filled with human sufferings and pain. The Zohar explains that sufferings in this world reduce or eliminate the influence of Yetzer Hara. We never knew the spiritual condition of Steve at the time of his death. He could have repented. Only God knows, and it is between Steve and God alone. In our side, we must hope for the best, for the salvation of Steve. This is what Moses did when Israel committed the sin of the golden calf, and God Himself already decided to destroy them all. But with the sincere request of Moses, God changed His mind. We must be saviors, not accusers, especially to people like Steve Jobs who almost sacrificed his life for the advancement of technology.

I am not elevating Steve to sainthood; I am just following what Apostle Paul said: "Therefore give... honor to whom honor is due (Rom 13:7 MKJV). Steve Jobs deserved honor in his field of endeavor. 

Rabbi Shimon, the author of the Zohar, with the support of such great Kabbalists as the Holy Ari, or the Arizal, revealed that the Messianic Era started in 1840, in the start of the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution, symbolized by the opening of the waters below in the time of Noah, opens the revelation of all technologies or the lower wisdom, in preparation for the science and technologies that Jesus Christ will implement when He returns and rules this world for 1,000 years. Steve Jobs technical innovations, even in these last days or end-time generation, are major technologies for the Messianic Era. His soul was sent to this earth for that mission. Yes, he is not yet perfect, but he had done his job.

JEW: Nonsense, Lope! Utterly blasphemous! What you are saying is, whose mind is at extreme enmity against the Holiness of the HOLY ONE, constructs an item and he/she is fulfilling Scripture? This is the closest thing to Catholicism that I know!

This is not the Law of the Spirit, which nullifies the law of the flesh, for GOD is SPIRIT and the work of our physical hands, constructing a physical temple of man is an abomination to GOD! I have no idea what you are thinking about! The only thing man can produce is a gold-calf, a mind totally polluted with SELF and the image thereof!

LOPE: I am sorry to say that we are miles apart in this issue. It seems that you don't know yet the depths of the Messianic Kabbalah Wisdom, as revealed by Jesus Christ. CHRIST -- THE KING MESSIAH IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MANKIND -- JEWS AND GENTILES ALIKE! Jesus Christ is the same Savior of yourself and Steve Jobs!

JESUS CHRIST -- THE KING MESSIAH IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MANKIND -- JEWS AND GENTILES ALIKE!

You, being a Jew by race, knows some Messianic Kabbalah knowledge as shown by your previous comments and articles. But it seems that your knowledge of Messianic Kabbalah is limited by traditional Judaism. I understand your case. 

But Jesus Christ did not teach, and did not practice traditional Judaism. That's why most of the Jews in His time did not understand Him. Christ practiced and taught the supernal Judaism from God the Father. The traditional Judaism of the racial Jews will be abolished and replaced by that SUPERNAL JUDAISM, when Jesus Christ returns and rules this whole world. 

And because you are allowing yourself to be limited by the traditional (downgraded) Judaism, you cannot understand Christ's pure supernal Judaism. I can see this as the reason why you don't possess the SAVING SPIRIT OF THE MESSIAH. This is why you cannot accept the fact that Steve Jobs should be honored because of his great contributions to the world. You don't like to honor Steve Jobs because you interpret it as "the work of our physical hands, constructing a physical temple of man." I am not talking here about the Temple of any sort. I am just obeying the Bible commands in 1 Peter 2:17 and Romans 13:7.

• Honor all men... (1Pe 2:17 HNV)

• Give therefore to everyone what you owe:... respect to whom respect; honor to whom honor.  (Rom 13:7 HNV)

You don't understand yet the full force and truth of the Messianic Era, and the Messianic Government that the KING MESSIAH will establish here on Earth. When Christ returns and rules this world, He will use the technologies and inventions of man in His Millennial Government. The only difference is that those technologies and inventions will all be converted to be in agricultural and peaceful purposes (Isa 2:4, Mic 4:3). And the innovations and inventions of Steve Jobs will be among those Messianic Technologies. 

For an in-depth explanation about this subject. please go to, or click: HOW CAN YOU BEAT THE SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES, AND THE SPEARS INTO PRUNINGHOOKS The Advanced and High-Tech Weaponry of the Nations Today?

You said, "whose mind is at extreme enmity against the Holiness of the HOLY ONE." Please be reminded of Ephesians 2:15-16 . The crucifixion of Christ removes the ENMITY between the Jews and Gentiles. 

• "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity... that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;  and so that He might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity in Himself."  (Eph 2:15-16 MKJV)

There will be some remaining enmity in the minds of the Gentiles, yet the door is now open to them for salvation via the holiness and pure truth of God, which is the MESSIANIC KABBALAH WISDOM. Before the crucifixion of Christ, this door of salvation is closed to the Gentiles. Now, if the Gentiles repent and accept the Messianic Kabbalah Wisdom, they will be part of God's Chosen Ones. 

If you insist with your present understanding of God's truth, then, you are acting like the Jews at the time of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul.

• "Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He (Christ) hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy."  (Mat 26:65 KJV)

Even the Apostle Peter was put in the bad light by the common Jews when he dealt with the Gentiles: 

• "When Peter went up to Jerusalem, those who stressed circumcision argued with him,  saying, "You visited uncircumcised men and ate with them!"  (Act 11:2-3 HCSB)

And the Jews went against Paul (Christ-appointed Apostle to the Gentiles) when he teaches Christ new Messianic Kabbalah revelations: 

• The Jews... spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.  Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you... we turn to the Gentiles.  (Act 13:45-46 KJV)

Remember that we are now in the TIMES OF THE GENTILES (Luke 21:24). And God is in the business of choosing the FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES (Rom 11:25). 

• So that you will not be conceited, brothers, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery: a partial hardening has come to Israel until THE FULL NUMBER OF THE GENTILES HAS COME IN.  (Rom 11:25 HCSB)

• And IN THIS WAY ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED, as it is written: The Liberator will come from Zion; He will turn away godlessness from Jacob. (Rom 11:26 HCSB)

You also said, "I have no idea what you are thinking about!" If you cannot accept what I am explaining here, or of what I am teaching, just leave me. 

The KING MESSIAH have given me the job of disseminating His Messianic Kabbalah Wisdom to the general public, in the WHOLE WORLD, which you also disagreed. I am responsible only to HIM, and not to any other human being! Therefore, I will do that Messianic Work, no matter what others may agree or disagree!

JEW: Lope- Messiah left the Temple and so do I!

LOPE: You must clarify which Temple. Jesus Christ -- the Messiah, is now building the supernal 3rd TEMPLE!

JEW: Built??? The only Temple, the True Israel, the Mother of those She had spawned has been CONCEIVED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD! Her name is B'RESHEIT!

LOPE: My friend, traditional Judaism is leading you to contradict Jesus Christ and the Bible. Review and study Matthew 16:18, John 14:2, and Revelation 21:2.

• .... UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH...  (Mat 16:18 KJV)

• In my Father's house are many mansions... I go to PREPARE a place for you.  (John 14:2 KJV)

• ...  THE HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM, coming down from God out of heaven, PREPARED AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND.  (Rev 21:2 KJV)

The Church was built, prepared, and adorned, to be the supernal 3rd Temple, which is the New Jerusalem! 

You said, "The only Temple, the True Israel, the Mother of those She had spawned has been CONCEIVED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD! Her name is B'RESHEIT!" 

I don't agree with your statement, as you stated above. The Temple that was "conceived before the foundation of the world" is NOT B'RESHEIT! The Truth. is that B'RESHEIT is the Creator and Builder of that Supernal Temple!

And Jesus Christ is building His Church to become His FAITHFUL BRIDE that  is now being PREPARED, and ADORNED, to dwell in the supernal 3rd Temple, which is the coming New Jerusalem from Heaven!

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