Topic: Can You Spot the Root-Cause of the Marriage Problem That Cursed Man and the Whole Universe? (Genesis 3:8-17)
Lope Columna: TRUE SALVATION is MARRIAGE to CHRIST. Therefore, you will NOT be saved by Christ if you failed to see the cause of the Marriage Problem that happened inside the Garden of Eden. Here, God showed the proper way how to deal with the problem.
In other words, if you are not able to spot the root-cause of the Marriage Problem that cursed Mankind, it means that you really don't know Marriage => The Great Mystery of Marriage (Ephesians 5:29-32).
This is a big litmus test to every Church Minister, Law Maker, Marriage Counselor, Husband, Wife, and to anybody who think they already know Marriage! Please study again, seriously and in-depth, of what happened inside the Garden of Eden.
If no one will be able to spot the answer, this only means that the Churches are really very weak about the Marriage issue. I always remember the litany of the WCG and the Splinters Group that "Marriage is the number 1 problem in the Church."
The weak reaction to this post is a proof that we are still "groping in the dark" when it comes to Marriage. If the Church is not yet well-grounded in marriage, how can Christ return and marry the Church? This only shows that the Church is NOT yet ready for the coming wedding of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-8).
- LET US BE GLAD and REJOICE, and GIVE HONOUR TO HIM: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and HIS WIFE HATH MADE HERSELF READY. (Rev 19:7 KJV)
- And TO HER WAS GRANTED [MESSIANIC KABBALAH] that SHE SHOULD BE ARRAYED IN FINE LINEN, CLEAN and WHITE: for The FINE LINEN is The RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SAINTS. (Rev 19:8 KJV)
Richard Walker: Hey there, Lope, I was waiting to see if there were any posts under this topic and haven't seen any so far. Seeing how we're here to have "opinions," my opinion is that
- people have rejected God's laws on marriage, and replaced them with man's laws governing marriage.
- Let's face it, people change over time, we grow apart from each other, or the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence, or we feel "cheated" and are looking for a "way out" and still be in "good standing".
- Humans always make poor decisions, look at Adam and Eve. We haven't changed, and it's not always "Eve's" fault.
- The Churches' Ministries are NOT teaching us the laws about marriage, they are teaching us "smooth sayings" for our "itchy ears" so that we can remarry and have "out with the old, in with the new."
- Everyone loves to date, and has sex when they're young, and when they get older, it's obvious that people don't want to be held accountable for foolish decisions they made in their youth.
- Even with the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, it's VERY difficult to live as a "eunuch for the Kingdom," so if we are in that category, the carnal mind wants to be in a church that allows "remarriage," just like Moses allowed divorce and remarriage in Deut 24:1-5, but Christ disallowed that, and said that was NEVER the law.
- You can't fix "stupid" humans.
The subject of Marriage is related to the subject of sex. And the ignorance of God's Laws about Marriage leads to the wrong and immoral use of sex of all sorts, all around us.
The True and Faithful Church of God must not be ignorant about this vital marriage and sex issues. These are major keys that identify the FAITHFUL CHURCH OR BRIDE OF CHRIST from the other Churches.
The issue now between the Churches is NOT who is the True Church, and who are not. The issue now is: WHO IS THE FAITHFUL BRIDE OF CHRIST. A True Church of God can still be corrupted by the Marriage issue, but the Faithful Church cannot.
Margaret Walker: I might as well "chime in"...What I've seen and heard of the reactions of both Ministers and laypersons in the COGs is that since they reject the statutes and judgments with regard to human sexuality (HWA never produced a proper booklet on D&R, even though like you said it is the #1 problem in the Church), there is no plan of attack against the immorality of fornication in the youngsters not yet baptized.
I heard firsthand last week from high school juniors how rampant sexual activity is in their peers, and these two wanted no part of it; it actually disgusted them. But I heard how it is everywhere in school, and that confirms what God said in Zech.5, that it is ON the face of the whole Earth. He knows.
So, with that said, will the Ministers FINALLY TEACH the fornication judgment so at least SOME of these virgin youth will NOT DO it before baptism? The judgment just isn't a fun way to deal with the mistake. It forces life to change beyond the planning stages of proper education, preparation for marriage slowly and methodically, to haste and WASTE to make up for the gross error of the sin. I know why the Ministers refuse to teach it, but that reason is NO EXCUSE for later when this Law IS taught, and it is later and later, the cost, ugh, the cost!
Baptism is not the solution for fornication. Knowing the judgment IS! That AVOIDS DOING the SIN in the first place. Ministers know that. But once the sin is done, the Ministers know the ramifications and don't want to deal with it. So they came up with this alternative doctrine.
Eve was presented to Adam and it was a done deal for life. After the wedding covenant was made, Eve and Adam both acted pretty much like men and women do today. The woman went ahead making her own decision without consulting the man, and the man just went along with the sin, not thinking, but yet KNOWING what God had said to him. It is STILL tragic. When will we all learn?
Young people cannot learn unless their parents first teach the Law. I told my sons not to engage in premarital sex, but I did not tell them the judgment and consequences -- didn't "know it," though it was IN the Bible. Where was the Father doing all the telling to sons? It wasn't MY job to tell them. It was the husband's, man to man. He was too busy...I'm guessing.
Lope Columna: That's true, Margaret. I once befriended a 17 year old student in one of the school in Kentucky, and she admitted that she had a weekly sex with different partners in their school! How did the youth come to this point? What do the teachers and school authorities doing? What are the US Churches and Christian Americans doing? What happened to America? No wonder the 911 tragedy happened! And the Americans are target of terrorism! And now you have a Muslim President!
And it is all because of the ignorance and misapplication of God's Marriage Laws!
Brad Shoesmith: whoooaaaa
Margaret Walker: Yes, Lope, and some on this forum think Richard and I are "obsessed" with the marriage problem solution: keeping the Law.
"Marriage" is the biggest problem IN THE WORLD! God says so. It represents the 2 major statutes and judgments that are widely refused by the churches of any denomination or name. I say the WORLD is "obsessed" with disobedience to the Law. If Christ wasn't "obsessed" with obedience where would we stand with God. Actually, the word is not "obsessed," but just "seeking FIRST the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness." The word "obsession" was learned from the psychologist and philosophers of the world.
However, historically the world "obsession" was accompanied with "anxiety." Richard and I have no anxiety over the Law, neither did Christ. We, like Christ just want to obey God, and help others learn the Law, too. There is no sin in that. There is no anxiety either.
Richard Walker: Lope, Remember how Jesus said in Revelation that in specific churches, there were those who did not hold the same doctrinal errors. So, I don't see it that ONE church is right, and all the others are wrong, but I see it as individuals that are sprinkled in every church, and as long as they don't have doctrinal issues, they're on the "good" list, if you will. For instance, the marriage/fornication laws have zero effect on someone who is still a virgin, or someone that married as a virgin and is either still married or widowed.
This topic is proof-positive of the temperature in the church today. Whether it be CCG, UCG, LCG, WCD, PCG, CGtE, they ALL have adulteries being committed, and the ministry shielding the membership from God's laws. I understand human nature, but this has gone past that and proceeded to down right conspiracy against God's laws! When the sin comes to the full, and God finally has had enough, then the hirelings will scatter, and maybe THEN God's TRUE followers will start looking for answers and be a little more attentive to details. Until then, the church is still "asleep."
Margaret Walker: The marriage problem is extant AROUND THE WORLD! I know people don't like to hear this, but go anywhere and inquire and you'll will have to agree, unless you simply don't want to agree. The agreement is with God, not me or anyone else.
Lope, the high school teens said they wanted the school to issue condoms to protect people. But they did see the error in that, too. They were flabbergasted at the widespread openness of the problem. If that is happening more than EVER in HIGH school, imagine when they get to their 40s. You nor I have any power to make a change. Change is not wanted. We can only teach the marriage Laws and walk away, because flatly, people don't want to DO them. If they don't in the churches (any church), where will the world stand on these Laws? God will HAVE to protect the message when it gets out that far. Right now, it is mainly coming from God to the COGs. Some few say, "Mmmm, I never knew of these Laws...," then they look into it further. It is not heresy to teach God's Law. Most certainly not!
Lope Columna: Richard, I agree with you that in every church there are individuals that are righteous in God's eyes, even though they attend to a corrupted Church. This is shown in Christ's comments to the 7 churches in Revelation. But the time will come that God will gather them all into the ONE FAITHFUL CHURCH -- the BRIDE OF CHRIST. They will be the ones to marry Christ in that much-awaited WEDDING of the Lamb (Rev 19:7). God's tests are now in the individual level, that's why Christ said, "TO HIM THAT OVERCOMES..." not to the Church that overcomes.
Richard Walker: Yes, but when you're saying "Faithful Church/Bride of Christ," those are the ones that DID overcome, not the others. So, technically, everyone else that isn't going to "overcome" their sins in this life, PRIOR to Christ returning, won't be attending as the "Bride of Christ," and the story of the person found at the wedding reception without the proper garment, he was tossed out into the crowd that had the gnashing teeth!
We've certainly seen how God's laws, statutes and judgments have been ridiculed. I could see if I was trying to promote a church doctrine that wasn't found in the bible, and I was just using "sound arguments," but everyone disputes the actual SCRIPTURES in here! I'm not acting surprised, the tone in my voice is disgust. We'll see what happens.
I posted pictures on the forum to show people what we've been doing, and you'd think that the way the USA is going people would want to learn more about how to grow your own garden and prepare for when our government can't pay for food stamps and unemployment any longer. You'd think they'd be trying to prepare NOW for the holocaust that would ensue around this country if we had an attack, or had our oil rationed. Instead, people find it more interesting to hear tales of demigods and time-travel. Sounds a lot like a frog in water that is getting hotter by the minute!
Lope Columna: Richard and Margaret, I admired your courage to insist and fight for God's Laws, Judgments, and Statutes. I am with you. And for those churches and their pastors who ignore this WILL OF GOD, they became fools in God's eyes. So is America, so is any nation or religion that belittles God's Laws and Statutes. Why is this? It is because true wisdom comes only via the application or obedience to the Laws and Statutes. Listen to the following words of the Creator God:
- Look, I have taught you statutes and ordinances as the LORD my God has commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to possess. (Deu 4:5)
- Carefully follow them, for this will show YOUR WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING in the eyes of the peoples. When they hear about all these statutes, they will say, 'This great nation is indeed A WISE AND UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE.' (Deu 4:6)
- For what great nation is there that has a God near to it as the LORD our God is to us whenever we call to Him? And what great nation has righteous statutes and ordinances like this entire law I set before you today? (Deu 4:7-8 HCSB)
- Only be on your guard and diligently watch yourselves, so that you don't forget the things your eyes have seen and so that they don't slip from your mind as long as you live. TEACH THEM TO YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN. (Deu 4:9 HCSB)
- For they are a nation without wisdom, neither is there any understanding in them. If they were wise, they would understand this; they would consider their latter end! (Deu 32:29-29 MKJV)
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